鲁豫x陈冲:爱,像颤动的内脏,也似地底的岩浆

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岩中花述第七季第五期节目,鲁豫与儿时在相片中看到的明星陈冲再度相逢。 陈冲说,她这一生都被「爱与失去」所牵引。 20岁赴美留学,想要拓宽人生的疆域,然而命运仍带领她进入「表演」,彼时的好莱坞正描摹着幻想中的东方,却无法给华裔演员提供合适的位置,直到偶遇《末代皇帝》,但「婉容」并不常有。 只因对「现场」的偏爱,她站在了监视器后,将她对「爱」的理解抒发在自己执导的电影中。《纽约的秋天》里的爱是唯美、甚至甜腻的,《世间有她》中的爱是破碎、但也坚固的,如今的她认为,爱是关注的质量,其中包含着一次次残忍的选择与诀别。 她醉心阅读,在伍尔夫的意识流中体验感官的凋零与聚合,在格吕克轻盈的诗句里承担哲思的深刻与浓烈。文字最能表达「爱与失去」的重量,她便用《猫鱼》保存所有的丧失、也留住了曾经的乐园。 深知死亡是平常事,于是她决定更用力地活,享受甜、品尝苦,将拥抱和亲吻全数用尽。 【内容提要】 引子 写作的决心 04:25 离家赴美后的思念,让爱与失去成为人生的母题 06:21 写作是对抗遗忘的方式,也是与过往相连的过程 07:58 创作也许需要孤独,但写作撇除了独处时的痛苦 08:43 记忆是画面的碎片,能强烈地勾连起一整段故事 Part 1 好莱坞往事 10:13 上世纪的好莱坞,对「东方叙事」有种幻想与误用 13:01 华裔角色的处境窄小而无意义,直到《末代皇帝》 15:01 「婉容」未得奖有时代因素,但创作过程高于奖项 20:57 能用精准的动词指导表演的导演,是最好的导演 24:22 人生远比电影重要,出国的选择更多基于开阔人生 26:21 还未遇到任何一个角色,能够将自己「燃烧殆尽」 29:39 成为导演,比起意欲为之,反倒更像一种本能进入 32:50 改编覃慧兰的故事,被她「灰姑娘」般的人生吸引 34:35 容颜老去、接近尽头,人会发现另一种对生活的激情 36:33 在镜头前裸露身体,与裸露灵魂一样,都是不易的 Part 2 虔诚的读者 40:55 读伍尔夫,让我意识到「语言的确是思想的先驱」 42:17 被意识流的世界捕获,重新发现思想与生活的关系 45:32 最纯粹的文学作品,无法被转译为电影或其他媒介 46:31 《海浪》创造了「太阳」的缺席与「行星」的呓语 49:06 路易斯·格吕克的诗,做到了语言与思想的绝对统一 51:13 在诗句中体会格吕克如何用简洁的句子写出「浓烈」 53:30 伊丽莎白燃烧生命与伯顿相爱,也接受爱情的凋零 Part 3 爱与失去 58:03 死亡是无可回避的终点,母亲的死让我想更用力地活 60:30 人的「关注」是有限的,关注的剧烈程度就是爱的表达 62:59 伊丽莎白爱的浓烈,某种程度上遮蔽了她的商业能力 64:47 我钟爱鲜花,它美、会凋谢,也关联着「爱与失去」 – 嘉宾推荐的作品 – 《海浪》(The Waves),弗吉尼亚·伍尔夫(Virginia Woolf)著 Vita Nova,Louise Glück,Harpercollins,2001-3 《烈爱》(Furious love),萨姆·卡什纳(Sam Kashner)/南希·勋伯格(Nancy Schoenberger)著,檀秋文译,世界图书出版公司|后浪,2012-9 – 节目中提及的作品与人物 – 《本色陈冲》,严歌苓著,春风文艺出版社,1998-10 《变形记》(Die Verwandlung),弗兰茨·卡夫卡(Franz Kafka)著 《到灯塔去》(To the Lighthouse),弗吉尼亚·伍尔夫(Virginia Woolf)著 《末代皇帝》(The Last Emperor),贝纳尔多·贝托鲁奇(Bernardo Bertolucci)导演,尊龙、陈冲、邬君梅等主演的1987年上映电影,获第60届奥斯卡金像奖最佳影片,杰瑞米·托马斯(Jeremy Thomas)为制片人之一 《月色撩人》(Moonstruck),诺曼·杰威(Norman Jewison)导演,雪儿(Cher)、尼古拉斯·凯奇(Nicolas Cage)等主演的1987年上映美国电影,雪儿(Cher)凭借此片获第60届奥斯卡金像奖最佳女主角 《误杀》,柯汶利导演,肖央、谭卓、陈冲等主演的2019年电影,陈思诚为制片人之一 《小花》,张铮、黄健中导演,陈冲、刘晓庆、唐国强等主演的1979年电影,陈冲凭此片获第三届大众电影百花奖最佳女主角 《克雷莫夫妇》(Kramer vs. Kramer),罗伯特·本顿(Robert Benton)导演,达斯汀·霍夫曼(Dustin Hoffman)、梅丽尔·斯特里普(Meryl Streep)等主演的1979年美国电影 《异形》(Alien),雷德利·斯科特(Ridley Scott)导演,西格妮·韦弗(Sigourney Weaver)、汤姆·斯凯里特(Tom Skerritt)等主演的1979年英美合拍电影 《现代启示录》(Apocalypse Now), 弗朗西斯·福特·科波拉(Francis Ford Coppola)导演,马丁·辛(Martin Sheen)、马龙·白兰度(Marlon Brando)主演的1979年美国电影 《曼哈顿》(Manhattan),伍迪·艾伦(Woody Allen)导演,黛安·基顿(Diane Keaton)、梅丽尔·斯特里普(Meryl Streep)等主演的1979年美国电影 《双峰》(Twin Peaks),大卫·林奇(David Lynch)等导演,凯尔·麦克拉克伦(Kyle MacLachlan)、梅晨·阿米克(Mädchen Amick)、陈冲等主演的美国剧集,1990年首播 《纽约的秋天》(Autumn in New York),陈冲导演,理查·基尔(Richard Gere)、薇诺娜·瑞德(Winona Ryder)等主演的2000年美国电影 《世间有她》,陈冲、李少红、张艾嘉导演,周迅、郑秀文、易烊千玺等主演的2022年电影 《祝你好运,里奥·格兰德》 (Good Luck to You, Leo Grande),苏菲·海德(Sophie Hyde)导演,艾玛·汤普森(Emma Thompson)、达利尔·麦克科马克(Daryl McCormack)等主演的2022年英国电影 《感官世界》(愛のコリーダ),大岛渚(Nagisa Ôshima)导演,藤龙也(Tatsuya Fuji)、松田英子(Eiko Matsuda)等主演的1976年电影 黄柳霜(Anna May Wong),美籍华裔著名演员。1919年仅12岁就在美国好莱坞登上银幕,代表作《唐人街繁华梦》《中华儿女》《龙女》 谢晋,中国内地知名导演。代表作《芙蓉镇》《红色娘子军》《高山下的花环》 路易丝·赖纳(Luise Rainer),出生于德国杜塞尔多夫,美国影视、舞台剧女演员。代表作《大地》《好莱坞华人》 凯特·布兰切特(Cate Blanchett),澳大利亚电影演员。代表作《本杰明·巴顿奇事》《卡罗尔》 赫尔曼·黑塞(Hermann Hesse),德国作家,诗人。代表作《悉达多》《德米安》《荒原狼》

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