After the End of History, an Age of Disorder (with Francis Fukuyama and Nathan Gardels)
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More than three decades ago, Francis Fukuyama saw the future: a world order that looked inevitable, stable, liberal. What emerged instead is something bumpier, louder, and far more dangerous. In this episode, Fukuyama takes us on a ride through the strange resurrection of 19th-century power politics, the rise of political strongmen, and the collapse of trust that can doom institutions to failure. We discuss what’s left to salvage – and what a bureaucracy of the future could accomplish. Listen or watch wherever you get your podcasts: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/futurology/id1821718921 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2I38HvHP6KlXrD5ysfygxk?si=XB2qyyGjT2ONMTd5XUKJAg&nd=1&dlsi=ac8cda6751834298 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyYCSKWs8iYgjg-mhu-EuhTrG0-adrb0c Follow Futurology on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/futurologypod Twitter/X: https://x.com/FuturologyPod Bsky: https://bsky.app/profile/futurologypod.bsky.social Follow The Berggruen Institute on Social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/berggrueninst Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/berggruenInst Facebook: https://facebook.com/berggrueninst LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/berggrueninst/ 00:00 Shifting Geopolitical Landscape 02:43 The State of Democracy 12:10 Liberalism's Challenges and Identity Politics 16:18 Return to 19th Century Power Dynamics 17:54 AI and the New Arms Race 22:03 Civilizational States and Western Identity 26:15 Fragmentation and the Public Square 29:22 Community Moderation vs. Centralized Control 31:34 Tariffs and Economic Strategy 35:03 The Role of Bureaucracy in Governance 40:24 Empowering Bureaucrats for Efficiency 46:35 Challenges of Bureaucratic Complexity 48:19 Political Decay and Innovation in Bureaucracy'
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