E226|聊聊DeepMind创始人哈萨比斯:一个科学家与失控的AI竞赛

硅谷101播客 February 26, 2026
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他是霍金口中“地球上最聪明的人之一”,4岁下国际象棋,13岁获大师称号,却在一场对弈中突然顿悟,转身奔向人工智能。 他是DeepMind创始人,AlphaGo、AlphaFold背后的大脑,2024年诺贝尔化学奖得主。他也是那个因执念于强化学习险些错失大语言模型时代,又率领谷歌Gemini逆袭,成功回到牌桌的“孤傲天才”。 我们想聊聊哈萨比斯,不仅因为他的天才传奇,更想了解:发明终极技术的那一小撮人,他们的思想从何而来,动机又是什么? 作者塞巴斯蒂安·马拉比在传记中抛出一个问题:哈萨比斯一直想做正确的事,但他能做到吗? 本期播客,我们邀请到了《哈萨比斯:谷歌AI之脑》译者周健工,他也是中国最早当面采访哈萨比斯的媒体人。我们从哈萨比斯的少年往事聊起,复盘DeepMind被谷歌收购的博弈,以及错失大模型的战略失误,也追问了那个绕不开的问题:当一个科学家手握可能改变人类命运的技术,他的理想、执念与野心,会把我们带向何方? 【主播】 泓君,《硅谷101》创始人,播客主理人 【嘉宾】 周健工,未尽研究创始人,资深媒体人,《哈萨比斯:谷歌AI之脑》译者 【你将听到】 03:12 外表普通,智力超群——译者对哈萨比斯的第一印象 06:53 作者马拉比为什么选择哈萨比斯 哈萨比斯早年经历 10:38 象棋神童的顿悟时刻:下棋并非人生的全部,转向人工智能 13:41 他在游戏中植入“智能体”的雏形,却因算力不足失败 15:50 “如果你不能把一个东西造出来,你就不能真正理解它” 17:22 对强化学习的执念,为未来悄悄埋下伏笔 20:15 学派之争:萨顿的“强化学习”和辛顿的“深度学习” DeepMind崛起和失误 22:23 DeepMind另外两位创始人登场:肖恩·莱格和苏莱曼 26:17 融资历程:彼得·蒂尔觉得他商业上不成立,却还是投了 31:33 扎克伯格“端水”回答,让DeepMind果断选择谷歌 37:59 从围棋到生物学难题:“没有我玩不赢的游戏” 41:18 AI发展里程碑:2024年诺贝尔化学奖背后的故事 46:07 密谋脱离谷歌的“马里奥计划”、NHS数据风波和苏莱曼的离开 52:42 昔日伙伴各自成为谷歌、微软AI掌门人 55:16 孤傲下的战略失误:DeepMind为什么错失大语言模型 故事的背后,我们再聊聊…… 59:31 Gemini逆袭背后,谷歌内部经历了什么 1:03:02 AI末日警告?顶级科学家态度各不同 01:07:24 客观看待作者倾向性:与硅谷保持距离的“英国立场” 01:09:13 哈萨比斯的矛盾:他不愿意控制别人,却一定要赢过别人 想了解更多故事,欢迎关注哈萨比斯官方授权传记—— 《哈萨比斯:谷歌AI之脑》(The Infinity Machine:Demis Hassabis, DeepMind, and the Quest for Superintelligence) 作者:[美]塞巴斯蒂安·马拉比(Sebastian Mallaby) 译者:周健工 【监制】 泓君 【后期】 AMEI 【运营】 朱婕 【BGM】 Divine Wire - Martin Klem Conspiracy Inc. - Alec Slayne Between Moments - Amber Glow Floating in Space - Eva Hummingbird

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