Paul's Bizarre Views on Salvation: Exploring the Apostle's Contradictory Explanations

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Links Mentioned in this Episode: - https://bartehrman.com/thehebrewbible - If you’ve ever thought the Hebrew Bible was just one unified story – think again. This fall, join Dr. Joel Baden of Yale University for a brand-new, semester-long course. Across 28 in-depth lectures, you’ll uncover how this sprawling, beautiful, and often contradictory collection came together – one scroll, one editor, and one theological agenda at a time. - https://bartehrman.com/NINT - Our annual conference, New Insights into the New Testament – Join over 2,000 Bible enthusiasts for a three-day virtual conference with presentations on the historical Jesus by 13 world-renowned Bible scholars. Use the code MJPODCAST for a special discount. *Episode Description:* The question of how Jesus’ death and resurrection save humanity has stumped Christians—and scholars—for centuries. But for the Apostle Paul, it was not just a matter of faith, but of explanation—and he offers several, often using the same terms for very different concepts. This episode of Misquoting Jesus with Bart Ehrman (Episode 145) dives into the heart of Paul’s thought, exploring: - The two primary “models” of salvation—what they are, how they work, and why Paul mixes them up in his writing - Why Paul never claims anyone has been "saved" yet, and what that means for Christian doctrine - How baptism, faith, and the cosmic power of sin all play different roles depending on which model Paul uses - Where to find Paul’s clearest statements about salvation in the New Testament (hint: Romans is pivotal) - What all this means for modern Christian beliefs—and why these differences still matter today *Summary of the Discussion:* Megan Lewis kicks off by noting how surprisingly confusing Paul’s theology of salvation can be. Bart Ehrman explains that Paul both presupposes and alludes to his ideas in his letters, but Romans is the letter where Paul lays out his view most systematically—because he’s writing to Christians in Rome who don’t know him personally. The conversation then delves into the multiple models or metaphors Paul uses to describe how Jesus’ death and resurrection bring salvation: *1. The Judicial Model:* Paul describes God as a lawgiver and judge, with humans as defendants who have broken divine laws. The penalty is death, but Jesus’ sacrificial death pays this penalty for others, allowing them to be “justified.” Faith, in this model, isn’t just believing facts—it’s trusting that the payment applies to you. *2. The Participationist Model:* Much less familiar to most Christians, this model sees sin not merely as individual acts, but as a cosmic power—a force that enslaves humanity. Here, Jesus’ death defeats the power of sin (and death) itself. Through baptism, believers “participate” mystically in Christ’s victory, being joined to him in his death (and one day resurrection). Baptism, rather than simply showing faith, is the act that unites believers with Christ’s triumph. *Integration and Language:* While Paul shifts between these and uses overlapping language (especially “sin”), each model operates with different assumptions. Ehrman clarifies that Paul doesn’t see them as just separate options—you don’t choose one or the other. Instead, he weaves them together, often in the same letters. Variations include reconciliation (restoring a broken relationship), redemption (being bought back), and others. The host and Bart Ehrman also address common misunderstandings, like the modern notion that being “saved” is something for the present (for Paul it’s future), and modern interpretations of baptism that stray from Paul’s surprising mystical view. *Three Key Takeaways* - Paul did not have a single doctrine of salvation—he interwove several, especially the judicial (legal/penal) and participationist (cosmic/mystical) models. - Paul’s understanding of baptism is radically different from most modern Christian denominations—it’s not just symbolic, but the very act of uniting with Christ’s victory over sin and death. - To truly understand Paul’s letters (especially Romans), readers must pay attention to when he changes the meaning of key words like “sin” and the logic of salvation. Modern assumptions about “being saved” or “faith” may miss Paul’s nuance. *Key Points* - Paul presupposes many of his beliefs when writing, as his audience was often already familiar with his teachings. - The letter to the Romans is unique: it's Paul's most systematic explanation of his gospel, directed at a church he did not establish. - Paul uses the term “saved” almost exclusively for a future event, not as something that has already happened. - Two primary models of salvation in Paul’s letters: the judicial (legal) model and the participationist (mystical) model. - The judicial model frames salvation as God accepting Jesus’ death as payment for humanity’s sins; “faith” means trusting this payment applies.