Trump’s War With Iran and a New Danger at Home | The David Frum Show

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On this week’s episode of “The David Frum Show,” The Atlantic’s David Frum discusses the recent shooting in Austin. David warns that the shooting is an example of how Trump could use the threat of terror from Iran to crack down on American freedoms. Then David is joined by The Atlantic’s Tom Nichols to discuss the outbreak of war between the United States and Iran. David and Tom discuss Trump’s motives for launching another regime-change war and assess the competence of the administration to achieve its goals. They discuss the mistakes that were made in Iraq by the Bush administration and how, 23 years later, none of those lessons seems to have been learned. David and Tom wonder if the Trump administration has any plan for an end game in Iran, and discuss how not having one could lead to suffering among the Iranian people and turmoil in the region. Frum and Nichols observe that the United States has embarked on a costly state building project—but the question of whether the Trump administration realizes that is a different matter. Sign up for David Frum’s newsletter alert to find out when a new story is published: https://www.theatlantic.com/author/david-frum/?follow=true&utm_campaign=frum-yt Subscribe to “The David Frum Show” on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-david-frum-show/id1305908387 Subscribe to “The David Frum Show” on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/79CBHEDdEbdykveVgbpWs7 Follow The Atlantic on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theatlantic/?hl=en Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Atlantic subscribers also get access to exclusive subscriber audio in Apple podcasts. Subscribe today at https://accounts.theatlantic.com/products/?utm_medium=cr&utm_source=podcast&utm_campaign=apple_podcasts Subscribe to The Atlantic on YouTube: http://bit.ly/subAtlanticYT #davidfrum #thedavidfrumshow #theatlantic 00:00 Introduction 01:22 The Austin Shooting 04:24 Trump's War Powers Fears 07:20 Tom Nichols 09:23 What Is This War? 11:41 War Powers and Motives 16:33 Forgotten Iraq Lessons 27:14 Regime Decapitation Risks 29:07 Israel Driving Strategy 32:59 Collapse and Mafia Rule 34:05 Loser Decides War End 36:56 What Should We Do? 40:21 Iran Deal and War Path 42:52 Reconstruction and Endgame