What If Consciousness Is Fundamental?: A Conversation with Annaka Harris (Episode #404)

Sam Harris March 25, 2025
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Sam Harris is the host of the widely acclaimed Making Sense podcast and the creator of the Waking Up app, which offers a modern approach to living a more examined life through in-depth mindfulness training and secular wisdom. He is also a neuroscientist, philosopher, and author of five New York Times bestsellers, including The End of Faith, The Moral Landscape, Free Will, Lying, and Waking Up. Sam’s work spans a broad range of topics—neuroscience, moral philosophy, religion, political polarization, rationality—but generally focuses on how a deeper understanding of ourselves and the world can transform the way we live. Sam has practiced meditation for over 30 years, studying with Tibetan, Indian, Burmese, and Western teachers in both the United States and abroad. He holds a degree in philosophy from Stanford University and a Ph.D. in neuroscience from UCLA.

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Sam Harris speaks with his wife, Annaka Harris, about LIGHTS ON, her ten-part audio documentary exploring the perplexities of consciousness and the cosmos. They discuss the hard problem of consciousness, whether consciousness is fundamental, what split-brain patients can teach us about consciousness, what consciousness being fundamental could mean for the world of physics, and other topics. After Annaka’s conversation with Sam, we present an excerpt from LIGHTS ON. Chapter 8: Space and Time features author and science writer George Musser, as well as physicists Lee Smolin and Carlo Rovelli. Annaka draws on their noted expertise to explore some of the most mystifying conclusions in quantum theory, how they may validate certain meditative insights, and the ways in which they challenge our basic understanding of reality. Everyday experience tells us that space fills the universe; that causes have effects across time; that the future exists only as potential; that consciousness is confined to intelligent creatures, rather than fundamental to the very structure of being. These bedrock assumptions, when examined through both modern physics and contemplative practices, prove surprisingly fragile—and the fabric of existence profoundly counterintuitive. Annaka Harris is the New York Times bestselling author of CONSCIOUS: A Brief Guide to the Fundamental Mystery of the Mind and writer and producer of the audio documentary series, LIGHTS ON. Her work has appeared in The New York Times, Nautilus Magazine, the Journal of Consciousness Studies, and IAI Magazine. She is also an editor and consultant for science writers, specializing in neuroscience and physics. Annaka is the author of the children’s book I Wonder, coauthor of the Mindful Games Activity Cards, and a volunteer mindfulness teacher for the organization Inner Kids. Website: https://annakaharris.com/ X: @annakaharris Episode References: - A Solution to the Combination Problem and the Future of Panpsychism by Annaka Harris: https://www.ingentaconnect.com/contentone/imp/jcs/2021/00000028/f0020009/art00011 - Consciousness Isn’t Self-Centered by Annaka Harris: https://nautil.us/consciousness-isnt-self_centered-237720/ March 25, 2025 SUBSCRIBE to gain access to all full-length episodes of the podcast at https://samharris.org/subscribe/ OR become a channel member to access episodes on YouTube. For those who can't afford the full subscription price, we offer full and partial scholarships https://www.samharris.org/subscribe/scholarship Subscribe to the YT channel: http://www.youtube.com/subscription_center?add_user=samharrisorg Follow Making Sense on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MakingSenseHQ Follow Sam on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Samharrisorg/ Follow Sam on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/samharrisorg/ For more information about Sam Harris: https://www.samharris.org

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