The Loneliness Crisis, Cognitive Atrophy, and Other Personal Dangers of AI Chatbots | RR 20

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(Conversation recorded on October 14th, 2025) Mainstream conversations about artificial intelligence tend to center around the technology’s economic and large-scale impacts. Yet it’s at the individual level where we’re seeing AI’s most potent effects, and they may not be what you think. Even in the limited time that AI chatbots have been publicly available (like Claude, ChatGPT, Perplexity, etc.), studies show that our increasing reliance on them wears down our ability to think and communicate effectively, and even erodes our capacity to nurture healthy attachments to others. In essence, AI is atrophying the skills that sit at the core of what it means to be human. Can we as a society pause to consider the risks this technology poses to our well-being, or will we keep barreling forward with its development until it’s too late? In this episode, Nate is joined by Nora Bateson and Zak Stein to explore the multifaceted ways that AI is designed to exploit our deepest social vulnerabilities, and the risks this poses to human relationships, cognition, and society. They emphasize the need for careful consideration of how technology shapes our lives and what it means for the future of human connection. Ultimately, they advocate for a deeper engagement with the embodied aspects of living alongside other people and nature as a way to counteract our increasingly digital world. What can we learn from past mass adaptation of technologies such as the invention of the world wide web or GPS when it comes to AI’s increasing presence in our lives? How does artificial intelligence expose and intensify the ways our culture is already eroding our mental health and capacity for human connection? And lastly, how might we imagine futures where technology magnifies the best sides of humanity – like creativity, cooperation, and care – rather than accelerating our most destructive instincts? About Nora Bateson: Nora Bateson is an award-winning filmmaker, writer and educator, as well as President of the International Bateson Institute, based in Sweden. Her work asks the question “How can we improve our perception of the complexity we live within, so we may improve our interaction with the world?” An international lecturer, researcher and writer, Nora wrote, directed and produced the award-winning documentary, An Ecology of Mind, a portrait of her father, Gregory Bateson. Her work brings the fields of biology, cognition, art, anthropology, psychology, and information technology together into a study of the patterns in ecology of living systems. Her book, Small Arcs of Larger Circles, released by Triarchy Press, UK, 2016 is a revolutionary personal approach to the study of systems and complexity. About Zak Stein: Dr. Zak Stein is a philosopher of education, as well as a Co-founder of the Center for World Philosophy and Religion. He is also the Co-founder of Civilization Research Institute, the Consilience Project, and Lectica, Inc. He is the author of dozens of published papers and two books, including Education in a Time Between Worlds. Zak received his EdD from Harvard University. Show Notes and More: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/reality-roundtable-20 Want to learn the broad overview of The Great Simplification in 30 minutes? Watch our Animated Movie: https://youtu.be/-xr9rIQxwj4?feature=shared --- Support The Institute for the Study of Energy and Our Future: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/support Join our Substack newsletter: https://natehagens.substack.com/ Join our Hylo group and connect with other listeners: https://www.hylo.com/groups/the-great-simplification/join/i9jLqPmbGI --- 00:00 - Intro 03:45 - Why Zak and Nora Research AI 18:45 - History of AI 35:39 - Relationship to Dark Triad 39:51 - Reflective Interruption 43:53 - Back to Dark Triad and AI 46:50 - Cognitive Atrophy and AI 51:57 - We Are in a Profound Moment 57:40 - Bifurcations (Wealth and Mental Health) and AI 1:11:00 - How AI Affects Attachment 1:31:05 - How Zak “Breaks” AI 1:32:00 - Ability to Create Human Relationships 1:37:31 - Warm Data Labs 1:41:18 - The Antidote and Advice