The Inevitable End of Fossil Fuels | Ep221: Michael Liebreich & Bryony Worthington
Cleaning Up Podcast
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Once a week, Michael Liebreich and Bryony Worthington have a conversation with a leader in clean energy, mobility, climate finance or sustainable development. Each episode covers the technical ground on some aspect of the low-carbon transition – but it also delves into the nature of leadership in the climate transition: whether to be optimistic or pessimistic; how to communicate in order to inspire change; personal credos; and so on. And it should be fun – most of the guests are Michael’s and Bryony's friends.
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What if the energy transition isn't a race, but a steady march toward the end of fossil fuel usage? Do we need to move more like the tortoise, and less like the hare? And in a world of competing narratives, who gets to define "pragmatism"? In this season finale of Cleaning Up, hosts Michael Liebreich and Bryony Worthington unpack these questions as they review Season 15's most compelling conversations about the energy transition, life and everything, and celebrate five years of Cleaning Up. They dissect the current political landscape, particularly the challenges facing clean energy in the United States, and Bryony grills Michael on his recent Bloomberg essay on the "Pragmatic Climate Reset," and why he believes the end of fossil fuels in inevitable. This is the final episode of Season 15 of Cleaning Up, join us in September for the start of Season 16. Leadership Circle: Cleaning Up is supported by the Leadership Circle, and its founding members: Actis, Alcazar Energy, Davidson Kempner, EcoPragma Capital, EDP of Portugal, Eurelectric, the Gilardini Foundation, KKR, National Grid, Octopus Energy, Quadrature Climate Foundation, SDCL and Wärtsilä. For more information on the Leadership Circle, please visit https://www.cleaningup.live. Links and more: • Watch all the episodes in Season 15 of Cleaning Up: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe8ZTD7dMaaB2B4gQpVBd34bjcF1w0BpP&feature=shared • See our archive of over 200 episodes at https://www.cleaningup.live/ Chapters: 00:00 - Coming Up 01:26 - Our Predictions, 6 months in 05:15 - Trump vs The States 09:50 - Tariffs & Tax Credits 14:00 - Texas Floods 18:00 - Geothermal 21:00 - Oil, Gas & Public Policy 24:23 - Merlin & His Mushrooms 26:30 - Michael's Thoughts on Andrew Forrest 30:00 - Hydrogen Economics 34:50 - The Pragmatic Climate Reset 40:00 - The End of Fossil Fuels 45:00 - Tortoise vs Hare 48:00 - Winning the Public 51:30 - Headwinds 55:30 - Reclaiming Pragmatic 59:30 - Outro
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